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		<title>Comment on Money: A Sign of Greater Virtues? by Rexpat</title>
		<link>http://socon.wordpress.com/2007/09/24/money-a-sign-of-greater-virtues-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-260</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 05:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is rare a man who never leads with his money in the hunt for love. Somewhere near to the rarity of a man being loved simply for himself.

I have seen it and said it over and over again...

Lead with your bank account and get taken to the cleaners.

Lead with your character, your heart and get at least a fighting chance at love. I would go so far as to say it is only a truly successful man who can purposely softpedal his material wealth until his emotional well-being allows it after extremely careful screening of the ever-disingenuous hunters.

&quot;But I&#039;ve got material wealth and I promise she loves me!&quot;... Oh yeah. And you lead--past tense and probably present too-- with it too when first you met because you didn&#039;t have enough confidence in all the other masculine, mannish characteristics. So, expect to find her &quot;experimenting&quot; with other guys after she&#039;s installed herself on the onramp to material security just before she divorces you.

Women and their stages. Including the sexually hyperactive 30-40 range where variety can overwhelm fidelity commitmenta when a true bond of love is absent.

Go ahead, follow the weakest link in the chain of emotional, relationship security. Lead with your money.

It is a wise man who says little about ALL his assets if he hopes to always keep his @su from being taken for a ride in family court. Otherwise known as the private investment portfolio. Iceberg technology boys. In family law economics 101, prevention is 9/10ths of the law. The other 1/10th is in the courtroom. 

Do women like this? Gee, what do you think? Being in love doesn&#039;t have to mean overexposing your ass-ets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is rare a man who never leads with his money in the hunt for love. Somewhere near to the rarity of a man being loved simply for himself.</p>
<p>I have seen it and said it over and over again&#8230;</p>
<p>Lead with your bank account and get taken to the cleaners.</p>
<p>Lead with your character, your heart and get at least a fighting chance at love. I would go so far as to say it is only a truly successful man who can purposely softpedal his material wealth until his emotional well-being allows it after extremely careful screening of the ever-disingenuous hunters.</p>
<p>&#8220;But I&#8217;ve got material wealth and I promise she loves me!&#8221;&#8230; Oh yeah. And you lead&#8211;past tense and probably present too&#8211; with it too when first you met because you didn&#8217;t have enough confidence in all the other masculine, mannish characteristics. So, expect to find her &#8220;experimenting&#8221; with other guys after she&#8217;s installed herself on the onramp to material security just before she divorces you.</p>
<p>Women and their stages. Including the sexually hyperactive 30-40 range where variety can overwhelm fidelity commitmenta when a true bond of love is absent.</p>
<p>Go ahead, follow the weakest link in the chain of emotional, relationship security. Lead with your money.</p>
<p>It is a wise man who says little about ALL his assets if he hopes to always keep his @su from being taken for a ride in family court. Otherwise known as the private investment portfolio. Iceberg technology boys. In family law economics 101, prevention is 9/10ths of the law. The other 1/10th is in the courtroom. </p>
<p>Do women like this? Gee, what do you think? Being in love doesn&#8217;t have to mean overexposing your ass-ets.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Western vs. Thai Women by Rexpat</title>
		<link>http://socon.wordpress.com/2007/10/20/western-vs-thai-women/#comment-259</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 18:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the ghost of socon...

Another in the unending series of articles by an unending series of Western men without a true ride(read Real girl) and which points out the obvious: 

Why try to repair a falling elephant instead of mounting a beautiful philly?

The plane boss, the plane.

Feminazified Western society is the society of &quot;I don&#039;t need you&quot;. Someone forgot to consider that no real man will accept being marginalized as &quot;&#039;get off&#039; material&quot; for the upwardly mobile/downwardly loving lost and socially perverse who compose it.

Where am I going with this &quot;needing&quot; theme? 

http://www.advancedfertility.com/age.htm

&quot;A study published in 1957 examined the relationship between the age of the female partner and fertility. This study found that:

By age 30, 7% of couples were infertile

By age 35, 11% of couples were infertile

By age 40, 33% of couples were infertile

At age 45, 87% of couples were infertile

Reference: Tietze C: Reproductive span and rate of conception among Hutterite women. Fertility and Sterility 1957;8:89-97.

For several reasons, infertility rates are even higher in the general population in the U.S. today than for the population studied by Tietze in the 1950s.&quot;

And, just in case you&#039;re in the middle of a &quot;live &#039;in-plant&#039; with a Western slice...

http://www.savethemales.ca/

It is more a question of would you &quot;want to&quot;? than it is of &quot;can you&quot;?

Your sperm are your sacred guys. Watch out who you give them to if you have any more brains than the part of you which delivers them.

Present company excepted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the ghost of socon&#8230;</p>
<p>Another in the unending series of articles by an unending series of Western men without a true ride(read Real girl) and which points out the obvious: </p>
<p>Why try to repair a falling elephant instead of mounting a beautiful philly?</p>
<p>The plane boss, the plane.</p>
<p>Feminazified Western society is the society of &#8220;I don&#8217;t need you&#8221;. Someone forgot to consider that no real man will accept being marginalized as &#8220;&#8216;get off&#8217; material&#8221; for the upwardly mobile/downwardly loving lost and socially perverse who compose it.</p>
<p>Where am I going with this &#8220;needing&#8221; theme? </p>
<p><a href="http://www.advancedfertility.com/age.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.advancedfertility.com/age.htm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;A study published in 1957 examined the relationship between the age of the female partner and fertility. This study found that:</p>
<p>By age 30, 7% of couples were infertile</p>
<p>By age 35, 11% of couples were infertile</p>
<p>By age 40, 33% of couples were infertile</p>
<p>At age 45, 87% of couples were infertile</p>
<p>Reference: Tietze C: Reproductive span and rate of conception among Hutterite women. Fertility and Sterility 1957;8:89-97.</p>
<p>For several reasons, infertility rates are even higher in the general population in the U.S. today than for the population studied by Tietze in the 1950s.&#8221;</p>
<p>And, just in case you&#8217;re in the middle of a &#8220;live &#8216;in-plant&#8217; with a Western slice&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.savethemales.ca/" rel="nofollow">http://www.savethemales.ca/</a></p>
<p>It is more a question of would you &#8220;want to&#8221;? than it is of &#8220;can you&#8221;?</p>
<p>Your sperm are your sacred guys. Watch out who you give them to if you have any more brains than the part of you which delivers them.</p>
<p>Present company excepted.</p>
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		<title>Comment on These Lunatics Do NOT Speak For REAL MEN by Rexpat</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Looking forward to hearing more of your most recent exploits.&quot;, Socon ... so ...

http://russianlove.wordpress.com/2008/04/20/russia-my-six-months-report/

P.S.: How in the heck are you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Looking forward to hearing more of your most recent exploits.&#8221;, Socon &#8230; so &#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://russianlove.wordpress.com/2008/04/20/russia-my-six-months-report/" rel="nofollow">http://russianlove.wordpress.com/2008/04/20/russia-my-six-months-report/</a></p>
<p>P.S.: How in the heck are you?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Links by axinia</title>
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		<dc:creator>axinia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hallo!
I finally made a long-promissed post on Russian Women  - please check it out at http://shaktipower.wordpress.com/2008/03/24/what-is-so-special-about-russian-women/

see you! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hallo!<br />
I finally made a long-promissed post on Russian Women  &#8211; please check it out at <a href="http://shaktipower.wordpress.com/2008/03/24/what-is-so-special-about-russian-women/" rel="nofollow">http://shaktipower.wordpress.com/2008/03/24/what-is-so-special-about-russian-women/</a></p>
<p>see you! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;m Away For A While&#8230; by Rexpat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rexpat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to &quot;be&quot; happy. 

Yes, to be happy.

Yada, ya</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to &#8220;be&#8221; happy. </p>
<p>Yes, to be happy.</p>
<p>Yada, ya</p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;m Away For A While&#8230; by Rexpat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rexpat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://russianlove.wordpress.com/2008/02/16/secret-societies-attacks-on-russia/

Some geo-political commentary. Remember the Illumati seek to destroy the traditional family and to eliminate traditional thinking from women whose mother&#039;s instinct we &quot;normal&quot; men depend upon.

... And the guy in the upper seats keeps shouting, &quot;I just want to happy with a good girl for Heaven&#039;s sake.

Regards.</description>
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<p>Some geo-political commentary. Remember the Illumati seek to destroy the traditional family and to eliminate traditional thinking from women whose mother&#8217;s instinct we &#8220;normal&#8221; men depend upon.</p>
<p>&#8230; And the guy in the upper seats keeps shouting, &#8220;I just want to happy with a good girl for Heaven&#8217;s sake.</p>
<p>Regards.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;m Away For A While&#8230; by Rexpat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rexpat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trade you a &quot;there&quot; for a &quot;their&quot;? How about an &quot;observations&quot; for an &quot;observatios&quot;? A symptom of hands away from the keyboard for too long. But they&#039;re still quite busy. 

Yada, yada</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trade you a &#8220;there&#8221; for a &#8220;their&#8221;? How about an &#8220;observations&#8221; for an &#8220;observatios&#8221;? A symptom of hands away from the keyboard for too long. But they&#8217;re still quite busy. </p>
<p>Yada, yada</p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;m Away For A While&#8230; by Rexpat</title>
		<link>http://socon.wordpress.com/2007/11/23/im-away-for-awhile/#comment-252</link>
		<dc:creator>Rexpat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the mail. Finally had a chance to answer.

I wrote a political piece, insofar as their can be no meeting of the hearts of longterm planning if the first is bureaucratically obstructed and the second an entire country--Russia--and its ethos is deleted.

Next, I&#039;ll share some observatios about life in Russia. Yes, still too good to ignore. But it can be a definite challenge to establish here. Time and money.

Forget the two week loop to a lifetime of love and happiness. There is no bypassing of the traditional in-person screening and editing process. All attempts to bypass this are doomed to natural death. The Internet cannot reinvent longterm personal happiness. It becomes evermore doubtful if it can in all but exceptional cases provide anything other than a reasonably satisfactory introduction.

Perhaps Natalia&#039;s online project can provide that in the second generation of searchers.

Still the rest must come with lots of time and inperson learning and familiarization. Don&#039;t take your time. The admission noose is tightening.

Take care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the mail. Finally had a chance to answer.</p>
<p>I wrote a political piece, insofar as their can be no meeting of the hearts of longterm planning if the first is bureaucratically obstructed and the second an entire country&#8211;Russia&#8211;and its ethos is deleted.</p>
<p>Next, I&#8217;ll share some observatios about life in Russia. Yes, still too good to ignore. But it can be a definite challenge to establish here. Time and money.</p>
<p>Forget the two week loop to a lifetime of love and happiness. There is no bypassing of the traditional in-person screening and editing process. All attempts to bypass this are doomed to natural death. The Internet cannot reinvent longterm personal happiness. It becomes evermore doubtful if it can in all but exceptional cases provide anything other than a reasonably satisfactory introduction.</p>
<p>Perhaps Natalia&#8217;s online project can provide that in the second generation of searchers.</p>
<p>Still the rest must come with lots of time and inperson learning and familiarization. Don&#8217;t take your time. The admission noose is tightening.</p>
<p>Take care.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;m Away For A While&#8230; by socon</title>
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		<dc:creator>socon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rexpat :)

Good to hear from you.

PS. You have mail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rexpat <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Good to hear from you.</p>
<p>PS. You have mail.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;m Away For A While&#8230; by Rexpat</title>
		<link>http://socon.wordpress.com/2007/11/23/im-away-for-awhile/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>Rexpat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Socon.

Here for a brief visit. Where did it all go?

&quot;The blogosphere can be quite addictive.&quot; ... friendship is addictive. Some claim that such bonds are artificial. I disagree.

In the world of the unknown, with so much at stake, there is a genuine need for this kind of friendship.

With regard to the &quot;addictive&quot; part of your comment... Yes, you are right. But it is merely an indicator that not all questions have yet been answered or that the box of life must find a release. And this requires information. Good information. Good, honest information. Both the good and the honest, as in most places in the non-Net world, are not so easy to find. And when one senses the good or the honest, it is a prized commodity.

All the best.

Hope you are well.

Rexpat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Socon.</p>
<p>Here for a brief visit. Where did it all go?</p>
<p>&#8220;The blogosphere can be quite addictive.&#8221; &#8230; friendship is addictive. Some claim that such bonds are artificial. I disagree.</p>
<p>In the world of the unknown, with so much at stake, there is a genuine need for this kind of friendship.</p>
<p>With regard to the &#8220;addictive&#8221; part of your comment&#8230; Yes, you are right. But it is merely an indicator that not all questions have yet been answered or that the box of life must find a release. And this requires information. Good information. Good, honest information. Both the good and the honest, as in most places in the non-Net world, are not so easy to find. And when one senses the good or the honest, it is a prized commodity.</p>
<p>All the best.</p>
<p>Hope you are well.</p>
<p>Rexpat.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;m Away For A While&#8230; by socon</title>
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		<dc:creator>socon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something to keep you busy...

This is hilarious...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006/11/27/headlines/headlines_30020046.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Thai Feminazi finds herself out of luck&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something to keep you busy&#8230;</p>
<p>This is hilarious&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006/11/27/headlines/headlines_30020046.php" rel="nofollow">Thai Feminazi finds herself out of luck</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on These Lunatics Do NOT Speak For REAL MEN by socon</title>
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		<dc:creator>socon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rexpat...

Welcome back... :)

Looking forward to hearing more of your most recent exploits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rexpat&#8230;</p>
<p>Welcome back&#8230; <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Looking forward to hearing more of your most recent exploits.</p>
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		<title>Comment on These Lunatics Do NOT Speak For REAL MEN by Rexpat</title>
		<link>http://socon.wordpress.com/2007/09/30/these-lunatics-do-not-speak-for-real-men/#comment-238</link>
		<dc:creator>Rexpat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Socon!

Greetings from our[myself and my beloved&#039;s] apartment in Ekaterinburg. So, almost two months since liftoff. This place is really happening, my friend. The BRIC [Brazil, Russia, India, China] is transforming the global commercial matrix. Outside our new series of apartment buildings are no less than five building cranes. They seem to be everywhere in this city.

Congratulations on a well-written article regarding the Cult of Himminazi. Yes, moderation is the force of healthy living. It even works well when applied to a simple union of two people... perhaps the most challenging of all human undertakings.

When I get a chance I&#039;ll give a report on my site.

All the best.

Rexpat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Socon!</p>
<p>Greetings from our[myself and my beloved's] apartment in Ekaterinburg. So, almost two months since liftoff. This place is really happening, my friend. The BRIC [Brazil, Russia, India, China] is transforming the global commercial matrix. Outside our new series of apartment buildings are no less than five building cranes. They seem to be everywhere in this city.</p>
<p>Congratulations on a well-written article regarding the Cult of Himminazi. Yes, moderation is the force of healthy living. It even works well when applied to a simple union of two people&#8230; perhaps the most challenging of all human undertakings.</p>
<p>When I get a chance I&#8217;ll give a report on my site.</p>
<p>All the best.</p>
<p>Rexpat.</p>
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		<title>Comment on These Lunatics Do NOT Speak For REAL MEN by MikeeUSA</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeeUSA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First: I&#039;m not Jewish, I would include the New Testament aswell in whatever law regime I support (The NT has many pro-men&#039;s liberty, anti-women&#039;s rights passages that further clarify the Bible&#039;s pro-men / husband position.) I know that many, if not the majority, of Jewish people are heavy supporters of feminism and will inject their own fantasies of opressing men and glorifying women parrellel to the actual words and demands of the Bible (as you did with your fantasy of making the husband&#039;s life a living hell... when the Bible says nothing of that and demands instead that females ___OBEY___ their husband in all things, just as it demands that they obey God himself. Such power is not hell, it is God trying to mandate a little piece of heaven for his Men. You see, God does not hate Men (though YOU DO hate Men, along with your Jewish Feminists, and your allies in other religions (Christian Feminists, Muslim Feminists, Wiccan Feminists, Flying Spaghetti Monster Feminists)))

The price quoted in Deuteronomy has been estimated to be about 600 dollars (as of a few years ago) by Biblical scholars. Say so long to your &quot;and I mean monetized value&quot; crap (and seriously... what do you think the spot price is? It is the price of silver. The present monetized value of the metal (which is, right now, inflated due to speculation)).
Even if a shekel of silver in the past was worth 25 troy ounces, 50 25troy ounce pieces of silver would come to, at today&#039;s silver spot price of about 15.50 US Dollars,  19,375 US Dollars. That is the price of a new low end car with few of the options. Assuming that in today&#039;s world the Man has to pay the woman a $10,000 diamond engagement ring in _HOPES_ of marraige, a woman who has been around a few times at the least, paying about double that to the _Father_ for a nice young virgin girl (12 to 14 years old one would assume, past that they are not so often virgins and (if not virgins) don&#039;t even qualify for this automatic marraige... I guess the Bible would just consider those women as whores... and what is the penalty for being a lady prostitute...). The Man would pay the girl NOTHING. The money goes to the father. It is a payment for a product (the girl in this case). There is nothing pro-women&#039;s rights about selling girls into the service of Men. There is certainly nothing feminist about forcing the girls into service of a Man due to the decision of the Man to rape that girl.

The money is payed to the father (the girl is being bought). All the restrictions placed upon women in the Bible are still apply to the raped young girl (including the NT ones). The girl must obey her husband in all things etc. The man can still take multiple wives and still enforce his will on the female.

The brothers, father, etc would have nothing to do with the Man afterwards if the Man didn&#039;t wish them to be in his life. If he has known them for awhile he may wish to stay intouch. If he is some random stranger who was entranced by the beauty and the sweetness of his aquisition then he probably would go live in whatever area of the country that was most beautiful and economic to him, bringing his new little wife with him.

If the girl made his life a &quot;living hell&quot; she&#039;d be beaten. Do you think a Man who is happy to use force to aquire the girl in the first place would suddenly turn into a puddle of mush afterwards? No, he would continue to use force if nessassary and the girl would comply with his every wish. Why do you think the USA is number one in the world. It has something to do with our use of coersion (sometimes physical, sometimes of another type) upon the rest of the world for sure (and I agree with doing what is needed to keep our position, any sane country would do the same), and alot to do with the technological and economic superiority that has allowed us such power. In relation to girls and women, Men have such coercive power and can only be restrained by other men.

Death To women&#039;s Rights.
Viva Men&#039;s Liberties.
--MikeeUSA--</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First: I&#8217;m not Jewish, I would include the New Testament aswell in whatever law regime I support (The NT has many pro-men&#8217;s liberty, anti-women&#8217;s rights passages that further clarify the Bible&#8217;s pro-men / husband position.) I know that many, if not the majority, of Jewish people are heavy supporters of feminism and will inject their own fantasies of opressing men and glorifying women parrellel to the actual words and demands of the Bible (as you did with your fantasy of making the husband&#8217;s life a living hell&#8230; when the Bible says nothing of that and demands instead that females ___OBEY___ their husband in all things, just as it demands that they obey God himself. Such power is not hell, it is God trying to mandate a little piece of heaven for his Men. You see, God does not hate Men (though YOU DO hate Men, along with your Jewish Feminists, and your allies in other religions (Christian Feminists, Muslim Feminists, Wiccan Feminists, Flying Spaghetti Monster Feminists)))</p>
<p>The price quoted in Deuteronomy has been estimated to be about 600 dollars (as of a few years ago) by Biblical scholars. Say so long to your &#8220;and I mean monetized value&#8221; crap (and seriously&#8230; what do you think the spot price is? It is the price of silver. The present monetized value of the metal (which is, right now, inflated due to speculation)).<br />
Even if a shekel of silver in the past was worth 25 troy ounces, 50 25troy ounce pieces of silver would come to, at today&#8217;s silver spot price of about 15.50 US Dollars,  19,375 US Dollars. That is the price of a new low end car with few of the options. Assuming that in today&#8217;s world the Man has to pay the woman a $10,000 diamond engagement ring in _HOPES_ of marraige, a woman who has been around a few times at the least, paying about double that to the _Father_ for a nice young virgin girl (12 to 14 years old one would assume, past that they are not so often virgins and (if not virgins) don&#8217;t even qualify for this automatic marraige&#8230; I guess the Bible would just consider those women as whores&#8230; and what is the penalty for being a lady prostitute&#8230;). The Man would pay the girl NOTHING. The money goes to the father. It is a payment for a product (the girl in this case). There is nothing pro-women&#8217;s rights about selling girls into the service of Men. There is certainly nothing feminist about forcing the girls into service of a Man due to the decision of the Man to rape that girl.</p>
<p>The money is payed to the father (the girl is being bought). All the restrictions placed upon women in the Bible are still apply to the raped young girl (including the NT ones). The girl must obey her husband in all things etc. The man can still take multiple wives and still enforce his will on the female.</p>
<p>The brothers, father, etc would have nothing to do with the Man afterwards if the Man didn&#8217;t wish them to be in his life. If he has known them for awhile he may wish to stay intouch. If he is some random stranger who was entranced by the beauty and the sweetness of his aquisition then he probably would go live in whatever area of the country that was most beautiful and economic to him, bringing his new little wife with him.</p>
<p>If the girl made his life a &#8220;living hell&#8221; she&#8217;d be beaten. Do you think a Man who is happy to use force to aquire the girl in the first place would suddenly turn into a puddle of mush afterwards? No, he would continue to use force if nessassary and the girl would comply with his every wish. Why do you think the USA is number one in the world. It has something to do with our use of coersion (sometimes physical, sometimes of another type) upon the rest of the world for sure (and I agree with doing what is needed to keep our position, any sane country would do the same), and alot to do with the technological and economic superiority that has allowed us such power. In relation to girls and women, Men have such coercive power and can only be restrained by other men.</p>
<p>Death To women&#8217;s Rights.<br />
Viva Men&#8217;s Liberties.<br />
&#8211;MikeeUSA&#8211;</p>
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		<title>Comment on These Lunatics Do NOT Speak For REAL MEN by MikeeUSA</title>
		<link>http://socon.wordpress.com/2007/09/30/these-lunatics-do-not-speak-for-real-men/#comment-235</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeeUSA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First: I&#039;m not Jewish, I would include the New Testament aswell in whatever law regime I support (The NT has many pro-men&#039;s liberty, anti-women&#039;s rights passages that further clarify the Bible&#039;s pro-men / husband position.) I know that many, if not the majority, of Jewish people are heavy supporters of feminism and will inject their own fantasies of opressing men and glorifying women parrellel to the actual words and demands of the Bible (as you did with your fantasy of making the husband&#039;s life a living hell... when the Bible says nothing of that and demands instead that females ___OBEY___ their husband in all things, just as it demands that they obey God himself. Such power is not hell, it is God trying to mandate a little piece of heaven for his Men. You see, God does not hate Men (though YOU DO hate Men, along with your Jewish Feminists, and your allies in other religions (Christian Feminists, Muslim Feminists, Wiccan Feminists, Flying Spaghetti Monster Feminists)))

The price quoted in Deuteronomy has been estimated to be about 600 dollars (as of a few years ago) by Biblical scholars.
Even if a shekel of silver in the past was worth 25 troy ounces, 50 25troy ounce pieces of silver would come to, at today&#039;s silver spot price of about 15.50 US Dollars,  19,375 US Dollars. That is the price of a new low end car with few of the options. Assuming that in today&#039;s world the Man has to pay the woman a $10,000 diamond engagement ring in _HOPES_ of marraige, a woman who has been around a few times at the least, paying about double that to the _Father_ for a nice young virgin girl (12 to 14 years old one would assume, past that they are not so often virgins and (if not virgins) don&#039;t even qualify for this automatic marraige... I guess the Bible would just consider those women as whores... and what is the penalty for being a lady prostitute...). The Man would pay the girl NOTHING. The money goes to the father. It is a payment for a product (the girl in this case). There is nothing pro-women&#039;s rights about selling girls into the service of Men. There is certainly nothing feminist about forcing the girls into service of a Man due to the decision of the Man to rape that girl.

The money is payed to the father (the girl is being bought). All the restrictions placed upon women in the Bible are still apply to the raped young girl (including the NT ones). The girl must obey her husband in all things etc. The man can still take multiple wives and still enforce his will on the female.

The brothers, father, etc would have nothing to do with the Man afterwards if the Man didn&#039;t wish them to be in his life. If he has known them for awhile he may wish to stay intouch. If he is some random stranger who was entranced by the beauty and the sweetness of his aquisition then he probably would go live in whatever area of the country that was most beautiful and economic to him, bringing his new little wife with him.

If the girl made his life a &quot;living hell&quot; she&#039;d be beaten. Do you think a Man who is happy to use force to aquire the girl in the first place would suddenly turn into a puddle of mush afterwards? No, he would continue to use force if nessassary and the girl would comply with his every wish. Why do you think the USA is number one in the world. It has something to do with our use of coersion (sometimes physical, sometimes of another type) upon the rest of the world for sure (and I agree with doing what is needed to keep our position, any sane country would do the same), and alot to do with the technological and economic superiority that has allowed us such power. In relation to girls and women, Men have such coercive power and can only be restrained by other men.

Death To women&#039;s Rights.
Viva Men&#039;s Liberties.
--MikeeUSA--</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First: I&#8217;m not Jewish, I would include the New Testament aswell in whatever law regime I support (The NT has many pro-men&#8217;s liberty, anti-women&#8217;s rights passages that further clarify the Bible&#8217;s pro-men / husband position.) I know that many, if not the majority, of Jewish people are heavy supporters of feminism and will inject their own fantasies of opressing men and glorifying women parrellel to the actual words and demands of the Bible (as you did with your fantasy of making the husband&#8217;s life a living hell&#8230; when the Bible says nothing of that and demands instead that females ___OBEY___ their husband in all things, just as it demands that they obey God himself. Such power is not hell, it is God trying to mandate a little piece of heaven for his Men. You see, God does not hate Men (though YOU DO hate Men, along with your Jewish Feminists, and your allies in other religions (Christian Feminists, Muslim Feminists, Wiccan Feminists, Flying Spaghetti Monster Feminists)))</p>
<p>The price quoted in Deuteronomy has been estimated to be about 600 dollars (as of a few years ago) by Biblical scholars.<br />
Even if a shekel of silver in the past was worth 25 troy ounces, 50 25troy ounce pieces of silver would come to, at today&#8217;s silver spot price of about 15.50 US Dollars,  19,375 US Dollars. That is the price of a new low end car with few of the options. Assuming that in today&#8217;s world the Man has to pay the woman a $10,000 diamond engagement ring in _HOPES_ of marraige, a woman who has been around a few times at the least, paying about double that to the _Father_ for a nice young virgin girl (12 to 14 years old one would assume, past that they are not so often virgins and (if not virgins) don&#8217;t even qualify for this automatic marraige&#8230; I guess the Bible would just consider those women as whores&#8230; and what is the penalty for being a lady prostitute&#8230;). The Man would pay the girl NOTHING. The money goes to the father. It is a payment for a product (the girl in this case). There is nothing pro-women&#8217;s rights about selling girls into the service of Men. There is certainly nothing feminist about forcing the girls into service of a Man due to the decision of the Man to rape that girl.</p>
<p>The money is payed to the father (the girl is being bought). All the restrictions placed upon women in the Bible are still apply to the raped young girl (including the NT ones). The girl must obey her husband in all things etc. The man can still take multiple wives and still enforce his will on the female.</p>
<p>The brothers, father, etc would have nothing to do with the Man afterwards if the Man didn&#8217;t wish them to be in his life. If he has known them for awhile he may wish to stay intouch. If he is some random stranger who was entranced by the beauty and the sweetness of his aquisition then he probably would go live in whatever area of the country that was most beautiful and economic to him, bringing his new little wife with him.</p>
<p>If the girl made his life a &#8220;living hell&#8221; she&#8217;d be beaten. Do you think a Man who is happy to use force to aquire the girl in the first place would suddenly turn into a puddle of mush afterwards? No, he would continue to use force if nessassary and the girl would comply with his every wish. Why do you think the USA is number one in the world. It has something to do with our use of coersion (sometimes physical, sometimes of another type) upon the rest of the world for sure (and I agree with doing what is needed to keep our position, any sane country would do the same), and alot to do with the technological and economic superiority that has allowed us such power. In relation to girls and women, Men have such coercive power and can only be restrained by other men.</p>
<p>Death To women&#8217;s Rights.<br />
Viva Men&#8217;s Liberties.<br />
&#8211;MikeeUSA&#8211;</p>
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		<title>Comment on These Lunatics Do NOT Speak For REAL MEN by Андрей in SK</title>
		<link>http://socon.wordpress.com/2007/09/30/these-lunatics-do-not-speak-for-real-men/#comment-232</link>
		<dc:creator>Андрей in SK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and I mean monetized value not spot price of silver.</description>
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		<title>Comment on These Lunatics Do NOT Speak For REAL MEN by Андрей in SK</title>
		<link>http://socon.wordpress.com/2007/09/30/these-lunatics-do-not-speak-for-real-men/#comment-236</link>
		<dc:creator>Андрей in SK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mikee to your post #4. I too am very much in favour of the restitutional justice of Torah. I happen to interpret the passage as a Feminist wet dream. Note the part &quot;He can never divorce her as long as he lives&quot;. So you go rape a girl, marry her, she makes your life a living hell backed by her father, brothers, uncles.....all after you pay 50 shekels/25 troy or about $250-300k equivalent by my current estimation. You think this is a desirable life? I&#039;d bet if Feminists got wind of what Torah really stood for, they&#039;d enforce it as law and pray all their darling virgin daughters would have the &quot;misfortune&quot; of getting raped. And people think I&#039;m crazy, demonic and a bad spiritual influence for advocating...ah sh**...well I&#039;m not opening THAT can of worms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikee to your post #4. I too am very much in favour of the restitutional justice of Torah. I happen to interpret the passage as a Feminist wet dream. Note the part &#8220;He can never divorce her as long as he lives&#8221;. So you go rape a girl, marry her, she makes your life a living hell backed by her father, brothers, uncles&#8230;..all after you pay 50 shekels/25 troy or about $250-300k equivalent by my current estimation. You think this is a desirable life? I&#8217;d bet if Feminists got wind of what Torah really stood for, they&#8217;d enforce it as law and pray all their darling virgin daughters would have the &#8220;misfortune&#8221; of getting raped. And people think I&#8217;m crazy, demonic and a bad spiritual influence for advocating&#8230;ah sh**&#8230;well I&#8217;m not opening THAT can of worms.</p>
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		<title>Comment on These Lunatics Do NOT Speak For REAL MEN by socon</title>
		<link>http://socon.wordpress.com/2007/09/30/these-lunatics-do-not-speak-for-real-men/#comment-231</link>
		<dc:creator>socon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She wanted to debate the issues... therefore she should go to a place where there are many more people who are clued up about the issues than I or my readers am.

What did you think it was supposed to mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She wanted to debate the issues&#8230; therefore she should go to a place where there are many more people who are clued up about the issues than I or my readers am.</p>
<p>What did you think it was supposed to mean?</p>
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		<title>Comment on These Lunatics Do NOT Speak For REAL MEN by Luke Skywalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke Skywalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Robin, I would suggest you visit the forums at http://antimisandry.com if you wish to see some “intellectual debate”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What is that supposed to mean, Socon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Robin, I would suggest you visit the forums at <a href="http://antimisandry.com" rel="nofollow">http://antimisandry.com</a> if you wish to see some “intellectual debate”.</p></blockquote>
<p>What is that supposed to mean, Socon?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Money: A Sign of Greater Virtues? by socon</title>
		<link>http://socon.wordpress.com/2007/09/24/money-a-sign-of-greater-virtues-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-195</link>
		<dc:creator>socon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Natalie...

Thanks for clarifying the issues. The more we discuss them, the more our sense of mutual understanding grows. Making for fewer misunderstandings later on.

Luke...

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Here it is called “knowing how to treat a woman”.

Yeah, that’s what it was called in the West a long time ago, too. And guess what it evolved into. It evolved into spoiled brat syndrome, it evolved into entitlement princess syndrome, [etc etc]&quot; &lt;/i&gt;

I disagree that treating women well has caused that.

I believe that various manifestations of Cultural Marxism has caused that, and its propagation via the legal system, academia, and (arguably most influentially) the mainstream media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Natalie&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for clarifying the issues. The more we discuss them, the more our sense of mutual understanding grows. Making for fewer misunderstandings later on.</p>
<p>Luke&#8230;</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Here it is called “knowing how to treat a woman”.</p>
<p>Yeah, that’s what it was called in the West a long time ago, too. And guess what it evolved into. It evolved into spoiled brat syndrome, it evolved into entitlement princess syndrome, [etc etc]&#8221; </i></p>
<p>I disagree that treating women well has caused that.</p>
<p>I believe that various manifestations of Cultural Marxism has caused that, and its propagation via the legal system, academia, and (arguably most influentially) the mainstream media.</p>
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		<title>Comment on These Lunatics Do NOT Speak For REAL MEN by socon</title>
		<link>http://socon.wordpress.com/2007/09/30/these-lunatics-do-not-speak-for-real-men/#comment-237</link>
		<dc:creator>socon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin, I would suggest you visit the forums at http://antimisandry.com if you wish to see some &quot;intellectual debate&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin, I would suggest you visit the forums at <a href="http://antimisandry.com" rel="nofollow">http://antimisandry.com</a> if you wish to see some &#8220;intellectual debate&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on These Lunatics Do NOT Speak For REAL MEN by Robin</title>
		<link>http://socon.wordpress.com/2007/09/30/these-lunatics-do-not-speak-for-real-men/#comment-230</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 06:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And these fascists are evidently mentally deranged, and at least half-serious.

These idiots and morons severely compromise the credibility of those who genuinely stand for Men’s rights and real traditional values… and deserve to be UNIVERSALLY and UNAPOLOGETICALLY MARGINALISED by all people of reason, morality, and heart.

These men are the MASCO-NAZIS and are intellectually, morally, and ideologically bankrupt. Take a look at dysfunctional societies &amp; movements throughout history and throughout the world… and you will find one common denominator… whether they were religious, secular, atheist, socialist, capitalist, or whatever… the common denominator among evil societies and movements is EXTREMISM. And Moderation is the only cure for this.&lt;/i&gt;

BINGO.  After the cruising these blog in the last three days or so, this passage was the first sign of intelligent life and semblance of education I found... WITH the balls to call a psychopath a psychopath.  It was then disappointing and puzzling to see you trying to reconcile with these guys.  Mikee and Masc Man are clearly mentally ill or at least deeply troubled.  Luke is young, a wounded bird, looking for a father figure (or older man... As Greg alludes to).  There&#039;s still hope for him.  Perhaps he&#039;ll meet some sweet simple girl and all this nonsense will melt away.

But if you&#039;re interested in pursuing this on an intellectual level, you&#039;ve got to get fully away from these creeps.  And that psychopath Bob as well.

I would like to explore and debate some of these issues, but doing so with Mikee, Emasculated Man, Bob and Luke would be like a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

Robin Steele
http://womanofsteele.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And these fascists are evidently mentally deranged, and at least half-serious.</p>
<p>These idiots and morons severely compromise the credibility of those who genuinely stand for Men’s rights and real traditional values… and deserve to be UNIVERSALLY and UNAPOLOGETICALLY MARGINALISED by all people of reason, morality, and heart.</p>
<p>These men are the MASCO-NAZIS and are intellectually, morally, and ideologically bankrupt. Take a look at dysfunctional societies &amp; movements throughout history and throughout the world… and you will find one common denominator… whether they were religious, secular, atheist, socialist, capitalist, or whatever… the common denominator among evil societies and movements is EXTREMISM. And Moderation is the only cure for this.</i></p>
<p>BINGO.  After the cruising these blog in the last three days or so, this passage was the first sign of intelligent life and semblance of education I found&#8230; WITH the balls to call a psychopath a psychopath.  It was then disappointing and puzzling to see you trying to reconcile with these guys.  Mikee and Masc Man are clearly mentally ill or at least deeply troubled.  Luke is young, a wounded bird, looking for a father figure (or older man&#8230; As Greg alludes to).  There&#8217;s still hope for him.  Perhaps he&#8217;ll meet some sweet simple girl and all this nonsense will melt away.</p>
<p>But if you&#8217;re interested in pursuing this on an intellectual level, you&#8217;ve got to get fully away from these creeps.  And that psychopath Bob as well.</p>
<p>I would like to explore and debate some of these issues, but doing so with Mikee, Emasculated Man, Bob and Luke would be like a battle of wits with an unarmed man.</p>
<p>Robin Steele<br />
<a href="http://womanofsteele.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://womanofsteele.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Money: A Sign of Greater Virtues? by wonderlander</title>
		<link>http://socon.wordpress.com/2007/09/24/money-a-sign-of-greater-virtues-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>wonderlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far, misandry in the FSU exists only in response to brutish and brattish attitudes from the men&#039;s part. Oppositely, respectful, confident and chivalrous men receive most natural admiration. The guys well-acquainted with Russian women&#039;s mentality would testify, &quot;Treat her like a princess and be treated like a king.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far, misandry in the FSU exists only in response to brutish and brattish attitudes from the men&#8217;s part. Oppositely, respectful, confident and chivalrous men receive most natural admiration. The guys well-acquainted with Russian women&#8217;s mentality would testify, &#8220;Treat her like a princess and be treated like a king.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Money: A Sign of Greater Virtues? by Luke Skywalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke Skywalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 12:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And guess what: our women choose Western men exactly for their attitude and manners that Luke calls “worship”. Here it is called “knowing how to treat a woman”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, that&#039;s what it was called in the West a long time ago, too. And guess what it evolved into. It evolved into spoiled brat syndrome, it evolved into entitlement princess syndrome, and worst of all, it evolved into society&#039;s belief that males are inherently worth less than females, a belief that is not only damaging in and of itself, but also the grounds for a whole lot of further misandry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And guess what: our women choose Western men exactly for their attitude and manners that Luke calls “worship”. Here it is called “knowing how to treat a woman”.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s what it was called in the West a long time ago, too. And guess what it evolved into. It evolved into spoiled brat syndrome, it evolved into entitlement princess syndrome, and worst of all, it evolved into society&#8217;s belief that males are inherently worth less than females, a belief that is not only damaging in and of itself, but also the grounds for a whole lot of further misandry.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Money: A Sign of Greater Virtues? by wonderlander</title>
		<link>http://socon.wordpress.com/2007/09/24/money-a-sign-of-greater-virtues-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-192</link>
		<dc:creator>wonderlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for good hosting and again for explanations, I definitely need to share them around. )

&lt;strong&gt;...Sure, “clever” is a virtue in itself and in the whole spectrum of other virtues.&lt;/strong&gt; Whatever you guess may turn a woman on: &quot;Serious or humorous? - Clever!&quot; &quot;Decent or bold? - Clever!&quot; &quot;Lavish or thrifty? - Clever!&quot; etc., etc.

In this context, the word describes a multifaceted person and a perceptive decisionmaker, who shines different virtues at different moments, adequately. (If this may be difficult, then the couple is supposed to be able to talk and cope. We seek a “good spouse” to be a “best friend”, and “friendship” implies “constructive conversation”.)

&lt;strong&gt;There&#039;s a cute Russian women&#039;s joke: &quot;Main male sexual organ (var.: &quot;erogenous zone&quot; / &quot;most attractive part&quot;), 4 letters? - MIND.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;

... Exaggeration being one of Russian traits, how could I avoid quoting best-known examples of early accomplishments, to illustrate a more common trend explored in the article I linked to. Especially when a Russian name comes handy.

So, relax, folks! Who said the Google boys are a &quot;requirement&quot;? They are not my type, to begin with. And Albert is alas no more. &lt;em&gt;(Did this joke sound a joke, American way?))&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;What I was speaking about, is skipping conventional schedules, like education and work experience. Which is evidently less possible, and thought of, in an established, structured society that the West turned into&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;em&gt;(but most of us &quot;here&quot; get the news about &quot;there&quot; with great delay).&lt;/em&gt; And which is how the race is run in economies newly shaken and stirred into capitalism.

I&#039;d mention here that people had to grasp opportunities at whatever age the Transition has caught them. Some missed their chance because of being too old to change, some because of being too young to matter to the surrounding world.

&lt;strong&gt;…Unfortunately, in Russia money is rather associated with crime and depravity.&lt;/strong&gt; This history has been the history of poverty, preset by harsh natural conditions, sanctified by the Orthodox religion, normatized by communities that trode down hard on individuals who dared to differ from the mass, since Empire-time villages and into Soviet-state policy. Thus, breaking the rules too often meant breaking the law - imagine what mentality is required and forged in such a context. This makes most wealthy Russian men poor husband material... more darts to be flung at, later.

&lt;strong&gt;…Also the poverty background brings about a degree of &quot;compensational urge&quot;.&lt;/strong&gt; For what I&#039;ve learned, Eastern European women&#039;s demands are in any case way more reasonable than those of their Western counterparts. But this gives no grounds to assume that better characters and values can be a cheap deal, as many seekers unfortunately do.

&lt;strong&gt;And guess what: our women choose Western men exactly for their attitude and manners that Luke calls &quot;worship&quot;.&lt;/strong&gt; Here it is called &quot;knowing how to treat a woman&quot;.

An average member of a dating site or introductions agency gets more than one hundred letters from men within her first week of exposure. Many international brides become registered at several services. Russian Brides forums witness that a woman’s search may continue for several years. “Picky Bride” is a timeless archetype of Russian folklore.

My own degree of &quot;spoiledness&quot; has settled longer ago than to depend on compliments or boo&#039;s. Since I ever started blogging, my credo was, &quot;let&#039;em hate Natalia for telling the unpleasant truth, rather than hate each other for not knowing it&quot;. Some of my statements became even milder as I got to know more about the Western society (thanks to everyone I heard!), and foreseeing this, I&#039;ve been keeping many topics in drafts for re-editing. On the other hand, I can speak up on more sensitive matters now that the audience is prepared. Here is one of such posts.

http://russianwomenspeak.wordpress.com/2007/11/01/is-russian-ukrainian-wife-an-economy-solution-cheap-maintenance-benefits-costs-risks/

Sincerely, Comrade Natalia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for good hosting and again for explanations, I definitely need to share them around. )</p>
<p><strong>&#8230;Sure, “clever” is a virtue in itself and in the whole spectrum of other virtues.</strong> Whatever you guess may turn a woman on: &#8220;Serious or humorous? &#8211; Clever!&#8221; &#8220;Decent or bold? &#8211; Clever!&#8221; &#8220;Lavish or thrifty? &#8211; Clever!&#8221; etc., etc.</p>
<p>In this context, the word describes a multifaceted person and a perceptive decisionmaker, who shines different virtues at different moments, adequately. (If this may be difficult, then the couple is supposed to be able to talk and cope. We seek a “good spouse” to be a “best friend”, and “friendship” implies “constructive conversation”.)</p>
<p><strong>There&#8217;s a cute Russian women&#8217;s joke: &#8220;Main male sexual organ (var.: &#8220;erogenous zone&#8221; / &#8220;most attractive part&#8221;), 4 letters? &#8211; MIND.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>&#8230; Exaggeration being one of Russian traits, how could I avoid quoting best-known examples of early accomplishments, to illustrate a more common trend explored in the article I linked to. Especially when a Russian name comes handy.</p>
<p>So, relax, folks! Who said the Google boys are a &#8220;requirement&#8221;? They are not my type, to begin with. And Albert is alas no more. <em>(Did this joke sound a joke, American way?))</em></p>
<p><strong>What I was speaking about, is skipping conventional schedules, like education and work experience. Which is evidently less possible, and thought of, in an established, structured society that the West turned into</strong> <em>(but most of us &#8220;here&#8221; get the news about &#8220;there&#8221; with great delay).</em> And which is how the race is run in economies newly shaken and stirred into capitalism.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d mention here that people had to grasp opportunities at whatever age the Transition has caught them. Some missed their chance because of being too old to change, some because of being too young to matter to the surrounding world.</p>
<p><strong>…Unfortunately, in Russia money is rather associated with crime and depravity.</strong> This history has been the history of poverty, preset by harsh natural conditions, sanctified by the Orthodox religion, normatized by communities that trode down hard on individuals who dared to differ from the mass, since Empire-time villages and into Soviet-state policy. Thus, breaking the rules too often meant breaking the law &#8211; imagine what mentality is required and forged in such a context. This makes most wealthy Russian men poor husband material&#8230; more darts to be flung at, later.</p>
<p><strong>…Also the poverty background brings about a degree of &#8220;compensational urge&#8221;.</strong> For what I&#8217;ve learned, Eastern European women&#8217;s demands are in any case way more reasonable than those of their Western counterparts. But this gives no grounds to assume that better characters and values can be a cheap deal, as many seekers unfortunately do.</p>
<p><strong>And guess what: our women choose Western men exactly for their attitude and manners that Luke calls &#8220;worship&#8221;.</strong> Here it is called &#8220;knowing how to treat a woman&#8221;.</p>
<p>An average member of a dating site or introductions agency gets more than one hundred letters from men within her first week of exposure. Many international brides become registered at several services. Russian Brides forums witness that a woman’s search may continue for several years. “Picky Bride” is a timeless archetype of Russian folklore.</p>
<p>My own degree of &#8220;spoiledness&#8221; has settled longer ago than to depend on compliments or boo&#8217;s. Since I ever started blogging, my credo was, &#8220;let&#8217;em hate Natalia for telling the unpleasant truth, rather than hate each other for not knowing it&#8221;. Some of my statements became even milder as I got to know more about the Western society (thanks to everyone I heard!), and foreseeing this, I&#8217;ve been keeping many topics in drafts for re-editing. On the other hand, I can speak up on more sensitive matters now that the audience is prepared. Here is one of such posts.</p>
<p><a href="http://russianwomenspeak.wordpress.com/2007/11/01/is-russian-ukrainian-wife-an-economy-solution-cheap-maintenance-benefits-costs-risks/" rel="nofollow">http://russianwomenspeak.wordpress.com/2007/11/01/is-russian-ukrainian-wife-an-economy-solution-cheap-maintenance-benefits-costs-risks/</a></p>
<p>Sincerely, Comrade Natalia.</p>
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