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These Lunatics Do NOT Speak For REAL MEN
Posted by socon on September 30, 2007
I am an anti-feminist. I believe that the feminism-materialism-promiscuity culture which is firmly entrenched in the contemporary West is largely responsible for the unprecedented levels of social chaos and malaise we see in today’s society.
I believe in Natural Law, that is, the system of social norms and structures that one sees in civilised societies, across historical, geographical, and cultural divides.
I believe that there are inherent biological and psychological differences between Men and women [which half-sane thinking person doesn’t?]; and I believe in traditional gender roles within a Patriarchal [and not “egalitarian”] society.
But what I will never support is certain bloggers in the Men’s Movement who think that the fact that they have adopted the self-styled label of “MRA” entitles them to say or do any rubbish, without sanction.
I, and all others who who aspire to be Men of Real Character will never support those who ridiculously advocate PROSTITUTION, SEX TOURISM and the “FUCKING AND CHUCKING” of HUMAN BEINGS, as part of their purported mission of “Promoting Traditional Values, [and] Fighting Against Feminism, Cultural Marxism, and Other Threats to the Traditional Way of Life…” (!!)
People who take a neutral stance to SEX SLAVERY and EXPLOITATION deserve no indulgences. This kind of neutrality is the hallmark of amoral people… the leftists and liberals who have created this modern mess in the first place.
Here are some extracts from a conversation that took place on one of these blogs:
(MikeeUSA-) The proper reaction to an assult on a Man’s person by a female is this:
* Realise your life is over weather you do anything further or not, the female and her government servants will crush you in a short while.
* Decide that your life will not be the only life that ends today.
* Kill the woman+.
* and her friend if you have a quick means of killing.
* Kill the police if they have allready arrived++.
* Find the nearest women’s shelter, women’s rights organization office, etc and continue the revenge untill what was going to happen anyway does happen. If you can reach a 1 to 10 kill ratio you have done well.
+ 3 min chokehold will suffice for those who don’t know/have other means (kneck breaking, knifing, etc).
++Often they wear bullet resistant vests, but these usually don’t protect the top of the arms/underarms : if you cut here you will hit a major artery and bleed your adversary out, same can be done with the inner thighs but a croch protector may get in the way. Sometimes police have kneck protectors too. If all else fails try to stab through the vest, this sometimes works if you have a sturdy knife.
[…]
(whale sniffer[Wtf?]-) “we should kill mike to practice for killing the women”
(MikeeUSA-) “Why should “we” kill me? I mean, if you want to you could try. I live under a pile of weapons though.”
[…]
(Greg-) “Luke will carry on sucking [Masculist Man’s] cock wilst [Masculist Man] pat[s] his head and say[s] ‘good bitch’ whilst I point and laugh in the background.
Goodbye and good riddance.”
[…]
(Luke Skywalker-) “No matter. The prophecy must be fulfilled My two heroes MUST meet each other”
Etc, etc, etc…
Now I admit to having a sophomoric sense of humour too. But truth is, this stuff just ain’t funny. This isn’t American-Pie-Part-5. This is real life. And these fascists are evidently mentally deranged, and at least half-serious.
These idiots and morons severely compromise the credibility of those who genuinely stand for Men’s rights and real traditional values… and deserve to be UNIVERSALLY and UNAPOLOGETICALLY MARGINALISED by all people of reason, morality, and heart.
These men are the MASCO-NAZIS and are intellectually, morally, and ideologically bankrupt. Take a look at dysfunctional societies & movements throughout history and throughout the world… and you will find one common denominator… whether they were religious, secular, atheist, socialist, capitalist, or whatever… the common denominator among evil societies and movements is EXTREMISM. And Moderation is the only cure for this.
I recognise the relative youth of some of these people, and the challenges they face. But if you want to call yourself a Man, it’s time to grow up and take responsibility for being one. Lest you become the next Andrea Dworkin. Trust me, history will not look back kindly on you.
socon said
Oh, Comments from Men (and women) of Real Character are Welcome…
Luke Skywalker said
Socon, you misquoted me because I put a winking face after I wrote “The prophecy must be fulfilled.” Meaning that I realized that I was using a tounge-in-cheek phrase, “sophomoric” as you put it, but still used it anyway because I thought that it was a humorous yet fitting phrase.
I insist that you insert that winking face in my quote in order to quote me correctly.
Thank you.
socon said
LOLOL
Okay… for everyone reading this.. I admit it… there is a WINKING FACE (
) after “The prophecy must be fulfilled” in Luke’s quote.
LOLOL
MikeeUSA said
I’ve not billed myself as an MRA. I am against women’s rights and infavor of Men’s Liberties. I also like the Bible because it is pretty much completely on the side of Men (it even ‘condones’ rape (a man who rapes a virgin girl marrys her, never divorces her, and pays her father some silver Deuteronomy 22)
(New International Version)
28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver. [c] He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
(King James Version)
28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
(New American Standard Bible)
28″(O)If a man finds a girl who is a virgin, who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her and they are discovered,
29then the man who lay with her shall give to the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife because he has violated her; he cannot divorce her all his days.
You cannot get anymore radically pro-Men then the Bible is. I thusly support it completely.
I am for whatever is best for Men; no exceptions.
Death To women’s Rights
Viva Men’s Liberties
PS: Im currently under attack by femis: they have succeded in getting my yahoo email addy shut down and are also trying to get my blog closed: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=229×8069
MikeeUSA said
The revolutionaries of the USA were extremists: fighting a war for a small 14% tax on tea.
“But if you want to call yourself a Man, it’s time to grow up and take responsibility for being one. Lest you become the next Andrea Dworkin. Trust me, history will not look back kindly on you.”
I don’t care what I am called but I do agree it is time to take responsibility; we need to clear the land of the forest of femininsts. Their reign and existance needs to end with our generation: I don’t think we can afford to assume that the next generation of men will wake up as we have. One of these years we will need to act, if not now then later (later is fine, just aslong as it comes).
Drake said
Socon,
You are misquoting Greg. I read the thread you took your quotes from and Greg never advocated anything, he was merely arguing with masculist man and luke on the matter of loyality, and where Greg believed luke and masculist man were taking sides with some youtuber who was bashing women.
I agree that mikeeusa is extreme though, but it was VERY unfair of you to pick on some innocent commentor (Greg) who was involved in another debate entirely. I don’t think YOUR actions were very honest in regards to him, and you should delete his entry and delete this message after doing so.
I was starting to become a fan, but I dislike manipulators Socon, so do not ruin your own reputation by providing false information.
Drake
socon said
Drake,
Greg’s comment was included to illustrate the abject stupidity into which many of these blogs degenerate, and which, as I said in the original post, severely compromises the credibility of the very serious problems of feminism and misandry.
There was no “dishonesty” or “manipulation” involved.
I’ll agree that Greg has never advocated (to my knowledge) any sort of violence. This should be sufficient to clarify this issue, and I apologise if this was inferred from his comment’s inclusion. The entire original thread can be read here
masculist man said
Drake,
The truth scares,socon. That is why he avoids it.
socon said
MascoNazi Man: Care to elaborate on that?
You sound like a feminist, making vague, meaningless, unsubstantiated statements.
Luke Skywalker said
And also you conveniently ignored the fact that I clearly told MikeeUSA and whalesniffer that there were to be no more discussions advocating killing, and that all such discussion ceased immediately afterwards.
If you look at the comment section of the post, you can see that:
http://siberianow.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/something-that-made-me-very-angry-yesterday/#comments
MikeeUSA said
“FUCKING AND CHUCKING”
I don’t support that.
I support aquiring a nice young virgin girl or two (or however manyof child bearing age (girls gain the ability to have children between 12 and 14 yrs old) and keeping her as your obedient wife forever.
masculist man said
MascoNazi Man: Care to elaborate on that?
You know,soconned,I would love to do that and I will:
Let’s look at what got you busted on this:
Greg’s comment was included to illustrate the abject stupidity into which many of these blogs degenerate, and which, as I said in the original post, severely compromises the credibility of the very serious problems of feminism and misandry.
No. If you had followed the exchange between Greg and myself you would have realized that he was asking for help from masculists to which Luke and myself have helped him but instead of showing us gratitude for helping him he jumps our cases. It seems that Drake caught you trying to compare apples and oranges.
Didn’t you just make the statement:
You sound like a feminist, making vague, meaningless, unsubstantiated statements.
You mean just like you did?
Now add to that you have allied yourself with rexpat,a known misandrist and he made his misandry very clear to Luke when he rediculed him for his parents confiscating his passport.
socon said
Luke Skywalker Says:
October 4th, 2007 at 1:57 pm e
And also you conveniently ignored the fact that I clearly told MikeeUSA and whalesniffer that there were to be no more discussions advocating killing, and that all such discussion ceased immediately afterwards.
Actually Luke, you had to tell them to stop 3 times and Mikee made at least 2 violent comments after the 3rd time you told them to stop.
Furthermore, the reason you told them to stop was because “you would get into trouble” and not because you showed any personal disapproval of the violence per se. You even qualified this by saying things like “Mikee, it’s nothing against you personally” etc.
You tacitly approved of what they were saying, and were just half-heartedly covering your ass with your “disapproval”.
–
MikeeUSA Says:
October 4th, 2007 at 8:04 pm e
“FUCKING AND CHUCKING”
I don’t support that.
No Mikee, you don’t support that. You only support Murder.
–
MascoNazi Man said:
Let’s look at what got you busted on this:
“Greg’s comment was included to illustrate the abject stupidity into which many of these blogs degenerate, and which, as I said in the original post, severely compromises the credibility of the very serious problems of feminism and misandry. (Me)
No. If you had followed the exchange between Greg and myself you would have realized that he was asking for help from masculists to which Luke and myself have helped him but instead of showing us gratitude for helping him he jumps our cases. It seems that Drake caught you trying to compare apples and oranges. (MascoNazi Man)
I followed the exchange. This didn’t get my “busted” in any way. The point being made in the post is: You People Are Idiots. You are an Idiot. Greg is an Idiot.
The fact that you two were on “different sides” of this debate is irrelevant. You are still both Idiots.
You also said:
“Now add to that you have allied yourself with rexpat,a known misandrist and he made his misandry very clear to Luke when he rediculed him for his parents confiscating his passport.”
Firstly, I am not familiar with the passport issue. I was abroad myself when that discussion went down.
I sided with Rexpat on the prostitution issue, and I stand by that. You assume that because two people are allied on any given issue, that they agree with each other on every other issue? That they form some sort of single homogenous, undifferentiated entity? This is then sign of an undeveloped and immature intellect, MascoNazi Man.
Secondly, how does the fact that Rexpat disagreed with Luke on some issue make him a misandrist?? Please enlighten us??
Does every Man who disagrees with another Man on any issue become a misandrist?
If I speak against a murderer or armed robber, who happens to be a Man, does that make me a misandrist.
You people throw around the words “misandrist” and “magina” in the exact same way feminist and liberals rant about “sexism”, “chauvinism”, “homophobia”, etc.
Like I said before, IDIOTS.
Ceiver said
Socon
LS “it is the opposite of Cultural Marxism because it is saying that men should not tolerate anti-male feminist labels”
“Biggest Mangina Ever: A Depiction of Rexpat, Wolverine, Ceiver, and Socon
Sep 12th, 2007 by Luke Skywalker ”
Socon…am I missing something here?
Is this not an example of “….Misandric Hate Speech Against Men”
Sep 30th, 2007 by Luke Skywalker
I’ve asked this guy to remove this item as I find it offensive to our character. I am beginning to get a little pissed off!
Thank you for your reply fellow SNOB.
Ceiver said
http://siberianow.wordpress.com/2007/09/30/calling-men-creepy-is-misandric-hate-speech-against-men/
shoots up to number 5 on Google.
i’d like to find something positive about it. can’t
Luke Skywalker said
Socon, concerning your last comments to me about the violent comments that people made on my blog: I am faced with a more difficult task than you are. Your allies are much tamer than mine are. My allies are more relentless. I’m faced with the task of establishing boundaries without kicking them all off, if I can at all avoid it.
First of all, whale sniffer is not an MRA or an antifeminist. He is a guy who has been a commenter on my blog since its conception. He is a bit of a jokester, and he sometimes thinks it’s funny to cause trouble. He constantly changes his name, and has gone through about 20 different names. I call him “Whale Boy” because that’s the name he held the longest. I have allowed him to stay on my blog because he often provides comic relief on an otherwise solidly serious blog. But he actually made another comment advocating killing today, and my patience has finally run out with him. I told him that if he makes one more such comment, or he changes his name one more time, or breaks one more blog rule, he’s gone. Totally.
As for Mikee, I would have only given Mikee one warning, except that he started out with two comments at the same time on two separate posts, so I put one warning on each post to make sure that he saw them.
As for the two violent posts that Mikee supposedly made after I warned him, can you please show me where those are? Because I have not seen them at all.
Ceiver, you truly are one of the most naive people that I have ever encountered, and you show this to be the case time and time again.
“Mangina” is not a feminist label. It is an MRA label for pro-feminist men, anti-men’s-rights men, chivalrous men, feminized men, and the sort.
Furthermore it’s funny how you think you are suddenly qualified to speak on what is and isn’t misandry when it’s painfully obvious that you haven’t even been through Men’s Issues 101. Calling pro-feminist men, anti-MRA men, chivalrous men, and feminized men “manginas” is not misandry. Mangina is a word which was brought into use by men who are rebelling against feminism and the feminization of the West. It is a word that is used to call out traitor men who are against men’s rights. Ceiver, you four have all taken stances at one time or another that have chivalrously put women ahead of men and/or have been repugnant to Men’s Rights. Therefore the label of “mangina” is fitting. It is not a feminist label. It is not misandry.
Ceiver said
Just spent $2000 to get rid of some “poopy drain flies”.
socon said
Ceiver
“poopy drain flies” ?
Is that some sort of Americanism, ‘cos I have no clue what that’s supposed to mean?
socon said
Luke, I’ll respond to you when I can be bothered to.
I’m pissed right now at that Russian flake on GL’s Older Men thread.
socon said
Luke,
I could find those 2 comments, but I’m not going to bother with it.
Instead, I am going to call a truce with you.
We ARE on the same side, in the greater scheme of things.
We are all the products of an arguably unprecedented social mess, and our attitudes and behaviours are informed by this, whether we like it or not.
So, Luke, you and your friends must just leave me and people I respect(Ceiver, et. al.) alone, and I’ll extend you all the same
courtesy.
Luke Skywalker said
Socon,
I’m not the go-to person regarding a truce between Masculist Man, MikeeUSA, me, and you, Ceiver, and “et. al.”(whomever that might consist of).
The reason why neither Mike nor I am the go-to person regarding that truce is because in the MRM, whenever there is a conflict between the MRM and an outside party, the highest ranking member in the MRM in that group of people representing the MRM, OR the Leader of the MRM or his designee, is the one who has “signing power” concerning any truce that might be made.
In this particular case, Masculist Man is actually BOTH the highest ranking member in the group of people representing the MRM, AND he is the Leader of the MRM.
Therefore any truce that your side offers between your side and the group of MRA’s consisting of Masculist Man, MikeeUSA, and myself would have to be ratified by Masculist Man in order to be accepted.
Now, MikeeUSA and/or myself COULD enter into a private agreement with you and/or Ceiver and/or “et.al.” to have a truce, but then no other individuals besides the individuals that ratify would be bound by the truce.
And even then, Masculist Man, being the Leader of the MRM, could ORDER us back into the conflict.
So really the only way to get a truce like the one you’re talking about is to take it to Masculist Man and get Masculist Man to ratify it.
To this effect, the best way to get a truce would be to initiate talks between Masculist Man, MikeeUSA, me, you, Ceiver, and the persons comprising the group that you labeled “et. al.”
socon said
(Edited)
Luke,
Does the use of pseudo-legalese make you feel important?
“The reason why neither Mike nor I am the go-to person regarding that truce is because in the MRM, whenever there is a conflict between the MRM and an outside party, the highest ranking member in the MRM in that group of people representing the MRM…“
There are no universally-accepted “rankings” of members of the MRM.
“…OR the Leader of the MRM or his designee, is the one who has “signing power” concerning any truce that might be made.”
There is no leader of the MRM.
“In this particular case, Masculist Man is actually BOTH the highest ranking member in the group of people representing the MRM, AND he is the Leader of the MRM.“
Refer above. There is no leader of the MRM. Masculist Man is not the leader of the MRM. This concept only exists in your own mind. Even Masculist Man himself has never claimed to be the leader of the MRM.
-You- are the -only- person who goes on about him being the leader of the MRM. Half the prominent MRA bloggers hate/are hated by him, or just ignore him.
“Therefore any truce that your side offers between your side and the group of MRA’s consisting of Masculist Man, MikeeUSA, and myself would have to be ratified by Masculist Man in order to be accepted.”
Refer above. There is no leader of the MRM. Masculist Man is not the leader of the MRM.
Also, MikeeUSA has specifically stated that he does not consider himself an MRA (comment 4 or 5 above), so your reference to him as one is a misnomer.
“Now, MikeeUSA and/or myself COULD enter into a private agreement with you and/or Ceiver and/or “et.al.” to have a truce, but then no other individuals besides the individuals that ratify would be bound by the truce.
And even then, Masculist Man, being the Leader of the MRM, could ORDER us back into the conflict.”
Refer above. There is no leader of the MRM. Masculist Man is not the leader of the MRM. This idea exists only in the fantasy world you have created for yourself. Sort of like some kind of battlefield-type video game. Masc. cannot “order” anyone to do anything.”
“So really the only way to get a truce like the one you’re talking about is to take it to Masculist Man and get Masculist Man to ratify it.
To this effect, the best way to get a truce would be to initiate talks between Masculist Man, MikeeUSA, me, you, Ceiver, and the persons comprising the group that you labeled “et. al.””
Okay, let me put this simply for you…
IF anyone pisses me off
THEN I will pummel them
ELSE I will leave them alone.
Grow up already.
MikeeUSA said
What programming language is that?
Luke Skywalker said
MikeeUSA not an MRA?? You’ve got to be kidding me!
Maybe Mikee was just having a bad day. Mikee??
You’re an MRA, right Mikee?
And as far as the MRM, you’re not even IN the MRM Socon, so how could you know how we do things?
Ceiver said
Socon..
“poopy” (added by exterminator) drain flies = pest. One pest goes off to another blog because he thinks he’s being “bashed”, brings back more pest and refuses to take responsibility for them. I’d rather be a SNOB.
“IF, THEN, ELSE…” I think you’ve been fair…and patient.
LS…Naive? I am my own leader of me. I don’t have some cartoon character in a mask and little sword. My heroes are not bloggers. My HEROINE was patching soldiers and marines in the back of a blackhawk while being shot at in two different battlezones in the last 4 years. Yes, she is a woman. I like women. That does not make me a “mangina”. My other hero…her husband.
Which brings me back to your little depiction of myself and Socon et al on your blog. I find YOUR LABEL offensive. You are responsible for your blog. You need to clean it up…or may the FORCE be with you to clean it up. At least change your name…Luke Skywalker had more class than you.
legalese. My apology to Socon if this is off topic.
Luke Skywalker said
Socon,
MRM rules aside — it would be totally disrespectful for me to “sign a truce” for somebody who’s been in the MRM for 14 years and say “Oh look, I signed this truce, and therefore you have to abide by it because I say so, even though you were never given any say in the matter.”
Listen Socon, I’m not out to have any personal conflicts with you. But when you write a post calling us “lunatics”, of course we’re going to respond. What did you think?
Ceiver,
Masc isn’t a cartoon character. He’s been an MRA for 14 years. He knows what he’s doing.
Again, totally naive. The more you squeal over this issue, the bigger a fool you make of yourself, in front of me, and in front of everyone. I don’t laugh often, but I can’t help but chuckle every time you bring this up. Obviously neither the post nor my name is going to get changed. And in fact, the more you whine about it, the more of an incentive I feel to see the funny little show you would put on for us Ceiver if I put yet another post up just like that one.
Ceiver said
LS,
Well, if I’m going to be foolish I will forward all to my advisor (Removed) just for starters.
Luke Skywalker said
Bullshit.
You already threatened to do something like that before, and you were blowing smoke.
socon said
Ceiver,
“My apology to Socon if this is off topic.”
No problemo.
–
Luke,
“Listen Socon, I’m not out to have any personal conflicts with you. But when you write a post calling us “lunatics”, of course we’re going to respond. What did you think?”
This post was a response to your’s and Masc’s posts against me (transvestite depicted and four stooges). Of course I am going to respond to that. What did you think?
socon said
Posting Rules Updated: http://socon.wordpress.com/read-me/
Ceiver said
posting rules…reviewed!
… hand slapped! My elementary teacher used a ruler across the knuckles, my high school coach used a fraternity paddle.
socon said
Lol Ceiver.
I used to get in on the knuckles as well…
By the time I reached high school, they’d made corporal punishment illegal here though. Or maybe just unpopular. Anyway, it’s illegal now. Liberals. A good hiding never did anyone any harm.
MikeeUSA said
Luke:
I’m against women’s rights and pro-Men’s liberty.
MRA just mean’s one is for Men’s rights. Since I’m also against women’s rights (and tons of people who are MRAs say I’m not an MRA) I do not claim to be a Men’s Rights Activist.
Also I’ve not been to any protests, signed any petitions, bought any laws to help Men etc. I’ve only written things on my weblog. I don’t think that’s enough to be an activist (as I do not Act, I only write, and my writings to congress are ignored (not even a form letter back)).
You’ve atleast gone to poland, to help better your situation. I’m sure MascMan has done more then me (as he was doing this before the Inet was around) and perhapse probably scons here aswell.
socon said
Mikee,
I don’t claim to be an MRA either.
I’ve only had my “epiphany” over the past couple of years, and have not done anything to be considered an “activist”.
Robin said
And these fascists are evidently mentally deranged, and at least half-serious.
These idiots and morons severely compromise the credibility of those who genuinely stand for Men’s rights and real traditional values… and deserve to be UNIVERSALLY and UNAPOLOGETICALLY MARGINALISED by all people of reason, morality, and heart.
These men are the MASCO-NAZIS and are intellectually, morally, and ideologically bankrupt. Take a look at dysfunctional societies & movements throughout history and throughout the world… and you will find one common denominator… whether they were religious, secular, atheist, socialist, capitalist, or whatever… the common denominator among evil societies and movements is EXTREMISM. And Moderation is the only cure for this.
BINGO. After the cruising these blog in the last three days or so, this passage was the first sign of intelligent life and semblance of education I found… WITH the balls to call a psychopath a psychopath. It was then disappointing and puzzling to see you trying to reconcile with these guys. Mikee and Masc Man are clearly mentally ill or at least deeply troubled. Luke is young, a wounded bird, looking for a father figure (or older man… As Greg alludes to). There’s still hope for him. Perhaps he’ll meet some sweet simple girl and all this nonsense will melt away.
But if you’re interested in pursuing this on an intellectual level, you’ve got to get fully away from these creeps. And that psychopath Bob as well.
I would like to explore and debate some of these issues, but doing so with Mikee, Emasculated Man, Bob and Luke would be like a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
Robin Steele
http://womanofsteele.blogspot.com
socon said
Robin, I would suggest you visit the forums at http://antimisandry.com if you wish to see some “intellectual debate”.
Luke Skywalker said
What is that supposed to mean, Socon?
socon said
She wanted to debate the issues… therefore she should go to a place where there are many more people who are clued up about the issues than I or my readers am.
What did you think it was supposed to mean?
Андрей in SK said
Mikee to your post #4. I too am very much in favour of the restitutional justice of Torah. I happen to interpret the passage as a Feminist wet dream. Note the part “He can never divorce her as long as he lives”. So you go rape a girl, marry her, she makes your life a living hell backed by her father, brothers, uncles…..all after you pay 50 shekels/25 troy or about $250-300k equivalent by my current estimation. You think this is a desirable life? I’d bet if Feminists got wind of what Torah really stood for, they’d enforce it as law and pray all their darling virgin daughters would have the “misfortune” of getting raped. And people think I’m crazy, demonic and a bad spiritual influence for advocating…ah sh**…well I’m not opening THAT can of worms.
Андрей in SK said
Oh and I mean monetized value not spot price of silver.
MikeeUSA said
First: I’m not Jewish, I would include the New Testament aswell in whatever law regime I support (The NT has many pro-men’s liberty, anti-women’s rights passages that further clarify the Bible’s pro-men / husband position.) I know that many, if not the majority, of Jewish people are heavy supporters of feminism and will inject their own fantasies of opressing men and glorifying women parrellel to the actual words and demands of the Bible (as you did with your fantasy of making the husband’s life a living hell… when the Bible says nothing of that and demands instead that females ___OBEY___ their husband in all things, just as it demands that they obey God himself. Such power is not hell, it is God trying to mandate a little piece of heaven for his Men. You see, God does not hate Men (though YOU DO hate Men, along with your Jewish Feminists, and your allies in other religions (Christian Feminists, Muslim Feminists, Wiccan Feminists, Flying Spaghetti Monster Feminists)))
The price quoted in Deuteronomy has been estimated to be about 600 dollars (as of a few years ago) by Biblical scholars.
Even if a shekel of silver in the past was worth 25 troy ounces, 50 25troy ounce pieces of silver would come to, at today’s silver spot price of about 15.50 US Dollars, 19,375 US Dollars. That is the price of a new low end car with few of the options. Assuming that in today’s world the Man has to pay the woman a $10,000 diamond engagement ring in _HOPES_ of marraige, a woman who has been around a few times at the least, paying about double that to the _Father_ for a nice young virgin girl (12 to 14 years old one would assume, past that they are not so often virgins and (if not virgins) don’t even qualify for this automatic marraige… I guess the Bible would just consider those women as whores… and what is the penalty for being a lady prostitute…). The Man would pay the girl NOTHING. The money goes to the father. It is a payment for a product (the girl in this case). There is nothing pro-women’s rights about selling girls into the service of Men. There is certainly nothing feminist about forcing the girls into service of a Man due to the decision of the Man to rape that girl.
The money is payed to the father (the girl is being bought). All the restrictions placed upon women in the Bible are still apply to the raped young girl (including the NT ones). The girl must obey her husband in all things etc. The man can still take multiple wives and still enforce his will on the female.
The brothers, father, etc would have nothing to do with the Man afterwards if the Man didn’t wish them to be in his life. If he has known them for awhile he may wish to stay intouch. If he is some random stranger who was entranced by the beauty and the sweetness of his aquisition then he probably would go live in whatever area of the country that was most beautiful and economic to him, bringing his new little wife with him.
If the girl made his life a “living hell” she’d be beaten. Do you think a Man who is happy to use force to aquire the girl in the first place would suddenly turn into a puddle of mush afterwards? No, he would continue to use force if nessassary and the girl would comply with his every wish. Why do you think the USA is number one in the world. It has something to do with our use of coersion (sometimes physical, sometimes of another type) upon the rest of the world for sure (and I agree with doing what is needed to keep our position, any sane country would do the same), and alot to do with the technological and economic superiority that has allowed us such power. In relation to girls and women, Men have such coercive power and can only be restrained by other men.
Death To women’s Rights.
Viva Men’s Liberties.
–MikeeUSA–
MikeeUSA said
First: I’m not Jewish, I would include the New Testament aswell in whatever law regime I support (The NT has many pro-men’s liberty, anti-women’s rights passages that further clarify the Bible’s pro-men / husband position.) I know that many, if not the majority, of Jewish people are heavy supporters of feminism and will inject their own fantasies of opressing men and glorifying women parrellel to the actual words and demands of the Bible (as you did with your fantasy of making the husband’s life a living hell… when the Bible says nothing of that and demands instead that females ___OBEY___ their husband in all things, just as it demands that they obey God himself. Such power is not hell, it is God trying to mandate a little piece of heaven for his Men. You see, God does not hate Men (though YOU DO hate Men, along with your Jewish Feminists, and your allies in other religions (Christian Feminists, Muslim Feminists, Wiccan Feminists, Flying Spaghetti Monster Feminists)))
The price quoted in Deuteronomy has been estimated to be about 600 dollars (as of a few years ago) by Biblical scholars. Say so long to your “and I mean monetized value” crap (and seriously… what do you think the spot price is? It is the price of silver. The present monetized value of the metal (which is, right now, inflated due to speculation)).
Even if a shekel of silver in the past was worth 25 troy ounces, 50 25troy ounce pieces of silver would come to, at today’s silver spot price of about 15.50 US Dollars, 19,375 US Dollars. That is the price of a new low end car with few of the options. Assuming that in today’s world the Man has to pay the woman a $10,000 diamond engagement ring in _HOPES_ of marraige, a woman who has been around a few times at the least, paying about double that to the _Father_ for a nice young virgin girl (12 to 14 years old one would assume, past that they are not so often virgins and (if not virgins) don’t even qualify for this automatic marraige… I guess the Bible would just consider those women as whores… and what is the penalty for being a lady prostitute…). The Man would pay the girl NOTHING. The money goes to the father. It is a payment for a product (the girl in this case). There is nothing pro-women’s rights about selling girls into the service of Men. There is certainly nothing feminist about forcing the girls into service of a Man due to the decision of the Man to rape that girl.
The money is payed to the father (the girl is being bought). All the restrictions placed upon women in the Bible are still apply to the raped young girl (including the NT ones). The girl must obey her husband in all things etc. The man can still take multiple wives and still enforce his will on the female.
The brothers, father, etc would have nothing to do with the Man afterwards if the Man didn’t wish them to be in his life. If he has known them for awhile he may wish to stay intouch. If he is some random stranger who was entranced by the beauty and the sweetness of his aquisition then he probably would go live in whatever area of the country that was most beautiful and economic to him, bringing his new little wife with him.
If the girl made his life a “living hell” she’d be beaten. Do you think a Man who is happy to use force to aquire the girl in the first place would suddenly turn into a puddle of mush afterwards? No, he would continue to use force if nessassary and the girl would comply with his every wish. Why do you think the USA is number one in the world. It has something to do with our use of coersion (sometimes physical, sometimes of another type) upon the rest of the world for sure (and I agree with doing what is needed to keep our position, any sane country would do the same), and alot to do with the technological and economic superiority that has allowed us such power. In relation to girls and women, Men have such coercive power and can only be restrained by other men.
Death To women’s Rights.
Viva Men’s Liberties.
–MikeeUSA–
Rexpat said
Hello Socon!
Greetings from our[myself and my beloved's] apartment in Ekaterinburg. So, almost two months since liftoff. This place is really happening, my friend. The BRIC [Brazil, Russia, India, China] is transforming the global commercial matrix. Outside our new series of apartment buildings are no less than five building cranes. They seem to be everywhere in this city.
Congratulations on a well-written article regarding the Cult of Himminazi. Yes, moderation is the force of healthy living. It even works well when applied to a simple union of two people… perhaps the most challenging of all human undertakings.
When I get a chance I’ll give a report on my site.
All the best.
Rexpat.
socon said
Rexpat…
Welcome back…
Looking forward to hearing more of your most recent exploits.
Rexpat said
“Looking forward to hearing more of your most recent exploits.”, Socon … so …
http://russianlove.wordpress.com/2008/04/20/russia-my-six-months-report/
P.S.: How in the heck are you?